Sika deer on Japan's Yakushima Island let macaque monkeys groom them in exchange for food scraps, except some deer also let the monkeys mount them sexually, which scientists are calling "interspecies sexual behaviour". Nederland, Colorado hosts an annual "Frozen Dead Guy Day" festival celebrating Bredo Morstoel, a Norwegian grandfather whose body has been preserved in a shed on dry ice for decades after his grandson's cryogenic preservation dreams went sideways. And the Brazilian Butt Lift has an unexpected side effect called "BBL smell" - a rancid odour resulting from fat necrosis when transferred fat cells die and decompose inside the body.
Deer-Monkey Sexual Mutualism
Sika deer on Yakushima Island in Japan have developed a mutualistic relationship with macaque monkeys, feeding on food dropped by the primates while receiving grooming services. Except researchers discovered some deer also allow monkeys to mount them sexually, creating what evolutionary ecologists are awkwardly calling "interspecies sexual behaviour with potential mutual benefits."
The deer get groomed and fed, the monkeys get... well, whatever they're getting out of mounting a deer. It's mutualism taken to an uncomfortable extreme that gives us valuable insight into the complex and occasionally disturbing relationships found in nature. Although the behaviour initially seems questionable, it demonstrates that animals will tolerate quite a lot in exchange for food and parasite removal, including letting a completely different species use them for sexual gratification.
Frozen Dead Guy Day
Nederland, Colorado hosts an annual festival called "Frozen Dead Guy Day" celebrating Bredo Morstoel, a Norwegian grandfather whose body has been preserved in a shed on ice for decades. What began as his grandson's attempt to achieve cryogenic preservation without proper facilities has become a legend, celebrated with coffin races, frozen turkey bowling and other morbidly festive activities.
The grandson initially kept Grandpa Bredo frozen in hopes of eventual revival, but legal and logistical complications left the body stranded in Colorado where local caretakers now maintain the ice supply. It's become a genuine tourist attraction, proving that Americans will turn literally anything into a party, including a frozen corpse in a shed.
Batman Makes Commuters Give Up Seats to Pregnant Women
Researchers in Milan discovered that commuters were significantly more likely to offer their seats to pregnant women when someone dressed as Batman was present on the train. The study examined prosocial behaviour and found that pop culture symbols of heroism subconsciously influence people to act more kindly, presumably because nobody wants to look like a jerk in front of Batman.
This speaks volumes about the effects fictional characters can have on real-world behaviour and the broader implications for promoting cooperation in everyday life. The presence of a superhero costume apparently triggers enough social pressure or aspirational behaviour that people suddenly remember their manners. It's both encouraging that we can be nudged toward kindness and slightly depressing that we apparently need Batman watching us to do the right thing.
Hilarious Old-Timey AI-Generated Recipes
AI-generated recipes have caused confusion and chaos in kitchens, with examples including instructions to bake cakes for far too many hours, combine ingredients that should never meet and follow procedures that defy basic cooking logic.
The technology confidently presents recipes as if they make perfect sense, except they're often completely unworkable or produce inedible results. The real question remains: what role should AI play in our kitchens when it clearly has no understanding of how heat, time or flavour actually work? Perhaps we should stick to human-generated recipes until AI learns that baking something for two days straight isn't normal.
Winning at Rock, Paper, Scissors: The Science of Patterns
Chinese researchers analysed strategies for winning rock, paper, scissors and discovered that players typically stick with their winning choice or switch after a loss, offering insights into strategic play. By understanding these behaviour patterns, you can exploit opponents' predictable responses and gain an advantage in what seems like a random game.
It turns out rock, paper, scissors isn't actually random at all - it's a window into predictable human behaviour that can be exploited by anyone paying attention to the patterns.
Downside to Plastic Surgery: The Brazilian Butt Lift Smell
The Brazilian Butt Lift has an unexpected side effect called "BBL smell" - a rancid odour resulting from fat necrosis when transferred fat cells die and decompose inside the body. While many seek aesthetic enhancement through the procedure, few expect their buttocks to smell like rotting tissue, which is exactly what happens when fat grafts don't establish proper blood supply.
Surgeons don't always warn patients that their enhanced posterior might emit the scent of decay, which seems like information people should have before going under the knife. It's a reminder that chasing beauty standards can have consequences that extend well beyond the mirror.
From deer trading sexual favours for grooming to frozen grandfathers becoming festivals, Batman making people polite, AI destroying recipes, rock-paper-scissors psychology, and butt lifts that smell like death - this week proved that nature is uncomfortable, humans are weird, and technology still can't cook.
Maybe stick to human recipes, don’t try to freeze Grandpa and think twice before committing to a bouncy-butt medical procedure.
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction
00:35 Interspecies Sexual Mutualism
01:24 Unexpected Observations: Monkeys and Deer
06:15 Frozen Dead Guy: A Bizarre Tale of Cryogenics
14:03 Batman and Prosocial Behavior
20:20 Hilarious AI-Generated Food Recipes
30:39 The Ultimate Rock, Paper, Scissors Strategy
33:54 The Dark Side of Plastic Surgery
SOURCES:
Unexpected events and prosocial behavior: the Batman effect
https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/thanksgiving-dinner-ai-recipes-slop
https://www.aiweirdness.com/ai-recipes-are-bad-and-a-proposal-20-01-31/
https://www.aiweirdness.com/the-neural-network-has-weird-ideas-16-03-05/?ref=aiweirdness.com
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/macaque-monkey-deer-mate-sex-ride
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a60887514/diy-cryonics-frozen-dead-guy/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_Dead_Guy_Days
https://www.vice.com/en/article/bbl-smell-is-real-and-just-as-gross-as-it-sounds/
https://plasticsurgery.org.au/procedures/surgical-procedures/buttocks-lift/
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[00:00:02] ROD: So there's an island called Yakima in Japan or off Japan. And there uh, Sika deer and macaque monkeys have enjoyed a long and, interesting interspecies relationship. Like the deer will follow the monkeys around eat the food they drop outta the trees, which is, you know, a good little relationship.
[00:00:19] They also don't mind having a little bit of a nibble on the monkey's poo because, I don't know, poo's delicious. And when you add bits of fruit or nuts or something like that, chocolate macaque's often will groom the deer too. So they'll eat the ticks and the parasites. So the deer get groom, the macaque's get the nutrients, which is good.
[00:00:35] so scientists refer to this behavior as mutualism, but it goes deeper. These guys, they've got a good relationship. So sometimes they see the monkeys hanging out on the deer's backs, like they climb up. And sort of have a nap and literally rely on the deer's backs and have a little sleep.
[00:00:46] and some have theorized it's 'cause they're also trying to hitch a free ride. But then scientists did a bunch of studies and they looked at the mean total distance traveled when a monkey sits on the back of the deer and it's like it's negligible and not statistically significant. So it's probably not going for a ride.
[00:01:00] So evolutionary ecologist, a woman called Judith Bronstein, she says, look,
[00:01:04] there
[00:01:04] are probably multiple benefits that they both receive from this relationship. I mean, there's clearly a protection and a nutritional exchange, you know, the poo and the grooming. Um, you can tell it just by the fact the deer don't bugger off whenever the macaques turn up.
[00:01:17] 'cause you know, monkeys, they're not quite regardless, whatever their reasons, the deers are super accommodating to the macaques. And if you ever needed proof of this, it came in 2015 when researchers first saw a maca humping a deer on camera.
[00:01:38] WILL: It's time for a little bit of science
[00:01:42] ROD: very little
[00:01:43] WILL: whatever this guy is gonna bring. I'm will Grant, associate Professor of Science communication at the Australian National University,
[00:01:50] ROD: and I'm Rod Latty, 30 year science communication veteran with what is clearly apparent in the mind of a teenage boy
[00:01:56] WILL: and as well as his dirty stories between [00:02:00] animals.
[00:02:01] ROD: Uh, I've got a tell about a frozen dead guy day.
[00:02:03] WILL: I'm going to tell you a little bit about looking after each other.
[00:02:06] You've got some old time.
[00:02:07] AI for us as well.
[00:02:08] ROD: really do. Very oldie
[00:02:10] WILL: I've got a, I've got something that is nice for everyone to know.
[00:02:13] ROD: Oh, and I'm gonna point out something. No one would've realized there actually can be a downside to certain cosmetic surgeries. Wow. Just, just one.
[00:02:20] WILL: What a pact amount of science we are providing
[00:02:22] ROD: too much. Too much science is barely
[00:02:24] enough. Yeah,
[00:02:25] WILL: I think so. Look, I knew. You heard. No, no. I haven't heard, I haven't heard, I don't go t trawling these things. I, I looked into your brain and the instant there's mutualism, you're like, well,
[00:02:36] ROD: they be fucking.
[00:02:37] WILL: oh, Jesus. No,
[00:02:39] ROD: No, it's beautiful. It's, it's not symbiotic, but I mean, in a few millennia maybe it will be.
[00:02:45] So it's fair to say when the researchers saw the young chap Maca climb up on the back of the female sicker deer and start going it down
[00:02:52] WILL: Ah-huh.
[00:02:53] ROD: uhhuh, they thought, oh,
[00:02:54] WILL: Uhhuh.
[00:02:55] ROD: Uhhuh, we've not seen this before.
[00:02:56] WILL: indeed we be researchers. So let's document the behavior.
[00:02:59] ROD: Science is working. We've seen something new.
[00:03:01] WILL: Okay.
[00:03:01] ROD: Okay. And they thought, why would he be doing
[00:03:04] WILL: So, so what question have you got from here? I thought this is the end of the story. So the monkey fucked the deer.
[00:03:09] ROD: Well, hump the back of the deer. Didn't, there was no. coital interaction as such. But the monkey was
[00:03:15] WILL: So you oversold this?
[00:03:16] ROD: It's the headline. I just read the headlines. That's all they do. So the, but the monkey's definitely banging the deal, like duck going to town, having a final time and they're suggesting maybe the reason is the monkey, this was a young fella, he was a very low status, wasn't getting many of the monkey ladies.
[00:03:31] Uh, so maybe this is a way to broaden the net for
[00:03:35] WILL: Yeah.
[00:03:35] Okay. Satisfaction. Yeah.
[00:03:37] ROD: One hypothesis. it was weird. Anyway, it was unusual and they thought definitely a one off.
[00:03:41] So
[00:03:41] 2018, so three years later in a park near Osaka, like 500 kilometers plus away. It turns out five Lady macaques were seen rubbing and riding a male deer.
[00:03:51] WILL: Oh, okay.
[00:03:53] ROD: Which is cool. Five, five ladies on one male deer. So either lucky deer or, or you poor deer. That was 2018 [00:04:00] back to Yakima Island and it turns out there was more monkey on dear action. 2020. 2021. 2023 at least observed.
[00:04:07] WILL: it's not actually uncommon.
[00:04:09] ROD: well, I don't know if there was much more in Osaka.
[00:04:11] They were just saying this is unusual. it's just they threw that into the study saying it's happened elsewhere. And I'm thinking, why are they telling me this? But thought I'd bring it up. So they're pretty sure in the 20 20, 21 and 23. Additions,
[00:04:23] WILL: whether because of pandemic lockdown or
[00:04:24] ROD: Yes, exactly.
[00:04:25] That the poor deer and the poor monkeys are like, well, we can't interact with any other poor deers. they're pretty sure the original dude was involved in at least some of these encounters, but not necessarily. That's not always easy to tell one macaque from another. Even the experts at times have trouble.
[00:04:39] but by this point he would've been a dominant dude and he would've been getting the lady monkeys.
[00:04:43] WILL: okay. So I don't need no deer.
[00:04:44] ROD: like, why is he taking,
[00:04:45] WILL: So he is still doing the deer, still
[00:04:46] ROD: doing venison. Strange. also, apparently some of the ladies in his troop were now. Doing what the Osaka ones were.
[00:04:52] No, I'm having a bit of a crack.
[00:04:53] It's entirely plausible though that the women monkeys and the other boys who might have been having a go, they think may have learned from him.
[00:04:59] They might have gone, shit, I, i'll give it a go. As you would if I saw him a cac humping a deer. I'd think it's gotta be something in't
[00:05:05] WILL: it a learned behavior, a culturally passed on
[00:05:07] ROD: Exactly.
[00:05:08] The word culture does appear, or in fact, this is the next hypothesis. The macaque and the seeker deer may be developing what the researchers called a co-culture.
[00:05:15] it's pretty much two species that involve with particular interrelated suites of behaviors. Mm-hmm.
[00:05:20] This is the thing. So this sounds, you know, it sounds pretty reasonable, but this doesn't offer a really strong reason why the monkeys near or saka were doing this thing.
[00:05:27] The five ladies were going off. They don't make a strong connection at all
[00:05:30] between
[00:05:30] WILL: each other
[00:05:31] ROD: Could be the
[00:05:31] internet, pictures
[00:05:32] WILL: to each other,
[00:05:33] ROD: Parchment delivered by messenger,
[00:05:34] But of course there's a lot more to be unpacked. we can't unpack it here, but I wanna leave the story with my favorite hypothesis that was put forward.
[00:05:39] This weirder hypothesis that the deer may be acquiring regular nutrients by ingesting the male Maccas ejaculate.
[00:05:45] I didn't make this up, but the scientist I mentioned in the opener, she's a bit skeptical. She said, look, it's probably just annoying, right? They get some stuff on their back and they wanna get rid of it. So they're kind of going, ah, and they don't really have hands. So they're like,
[00:05:55] well, I'll nibble it off.
[00:05:56] WILL: they're licking it off.
[00:05:57] ROD: Yeah, they're getting gunk on their back and they wanna debunk themselves, [00:06:00] so she thinks it's basically meaningless.
[00:06:02] WILL: So, so that's what's in it for the deer.
[00:06:04] ROD: That's the suggestion.
[00:06:05] WILL: in it for the monkey?
[00:06:06] ROD: Well, the deers don't appear to be fighting back. So if you feel like rubbing one out, you can just get up there.
[00:06:11] I call bullshit. I think the two of them were in love.
[00:06:12] WILL: I
[00:06:13] ROD: think it was Interspecies love
[00:06:15] WILL: So
[00:06:15] ROD: 20 plus years, people would come together annually in Neland, Colorado, For frozen Dead guys' day.
[00:06:21] So it's a festival that features coffin races.
[00:06:23] coffin races, yeah. Oh,
[00:06:25] okay. Yeah.
[00:06:25] Icy plunge contests are jumping into really cold water, a whole bunch of small town, unusual tea,
[00:06:31] it's based on a very real, and a very frozen, dead guy called Brado Mosel, who's a Norwegian grandfather. His body had been stored and frozen in a shed in that town for decades.
[00:06:41] So Brito, he was born in Norway in 1900. So he is normal kind of guy for the time. Quiet, straightforward life. Cross country skier, painter, fisherman. Worked in municipal parks. Had one daughter the age of 89 quietly dies in his sleep. So his grandson, whoever goes, oh no, no, no, no, no. So his grandson is,
[00:07:01] WILL: three.
[00:07:02] ROD: I'm gonna call him bga 'cause it's easier. Who is a devotee of survivalism cloning, ice bathing, conics, et cetera, et cetera, who had
[00:07:09] WILL: no, no, you can't say et cetera, et cetera.
[00:07:11] 'cause survivalism and cloning and not necessarily things
[00:07:13] to go
[00:07:14] ROD: together.
[00:07:14] There's also no et cetera, survivalism, cloning, ice bathing, and c cryonics are particular interests slash obsessions. Well, well,
[00:07:22] WILL: cloning, cryonics,
[00:07:23] ROD: exactly the same
[00:07:24] WILL: Yeah. Okay.
[00:07:25] Alright.
[00:07:26] ROD: And so he'd left Norway and gone to Netherland in Colorado, I'm saying with an accent, 'cause it should be near to London, but they probably call it Neland, as I said.
[00:07:33] So his grandfather dies and bogus says, well, no Grandpa, Pappy can't die. So he had him moved to a chronic slab called Alco in Arizona, Scottsdale, Arizona. The details of how he had him moved are not clear.
[00:07:46] From Norway. Oh, he died in fucking Norway.
[00:07:49] WILL: Which
[00:07:49] ROD: unusual. And anyway, so he ends up in Scottsdale, Arizona, in, in
[00:07:53] WILL: Chronics lab.
[00:07:53] Were there anyone else in the family saying, look, can we just bury
[00:07:56] ROD: him?
[00:07:56] I'm not aware. The daughter, at least the sources I read, the daughter [00:08:00] doesn't come up much other than the fact that she exists, but I assume she's his, mum.
[00:08:04] anyway,
[00:08:04] under circumstances unclear,
[00:08:08] Brio comes to America, posthumously
[00:08:10] WILL: Hmm. To
[00:08:11] ROD: in a chronic S lab,
[00:08:12] WILL: Do you have to have a passport?
[00:08:13] ROD: It's a good question
[00:08:14] WILL: because if you, I mean, I get, if you are being returned like you die overseas on a holiday or something
[00:08:18] ROD: like
[00:08:18] WILL: that, I get the government's like, okay, cool.
[00:08:21] You know, you can
[00:08:21] ROD: back. Yeah, you can come back. Yeah.
[00:08:22] WILL: Can come back. But, uh, if you are
[00:08:24] ROD: not
[00:08:24] a, I want to immigrate
[00:08:25] or is it immigrate? Immigrate, immigrate?
[00:08:27] Which one's in and which one's
[00:08:28] WILL: out? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. 'cause he's doing both. But he's doing neither because he's dead. So do you need a visa? Do you need a passport?
[00:08:34] Do like, If you are not of that country, how do you move a body into
[00:08:39] ROD: that country? and and how, and how long do you intend to stay?
[00:08:41] WILL: I feel like, this is before Trump obviously. '
[00:08:44] cause, 'cause truly
[00:08:45] because there's no way that in Trump's America you can move a dead body.
[00:08:49] ROD: Like
[00:08:49] probably not. No. No.
[00:08:51] WILL: No.
[00:08:51] ROD: Anyway, he ended up there, he was preserved at , Alco labs in liquid nitrogen for about four
[00:08:55] years.
[00:08:56] WILL: Alright.
[00:08:57] ROD: So standard chronic stuff at the time.
[00:08:59] WILL: Yep.
[00:08:59] ROD: Then in 93 he gets relocated to Colorado, where Bulgar, his grandson, had packed him in a human sized box, filled with hundreds of pounds of dry ice. Yeah. Stores him in his shed.
[00:09:09] WILL: shed.
[00:09:09] ROD: In his shed. In his shed out the back.
[00:09:11] WILL: I feel like hundreds of pounds of dry ice is not enough to last.
[00:09:14] ROD: Well, the brand of shed comes up a lot.
[00:09:15] For some reason. They keep saying it's a tough shed. TU double F. Tough Shed tough. Shed tough shed. And I'm like, I looked up Tough Shed. It's a brand of sheds. It's a shed
[00:09:23] WILL: company,
[00:09:24] Yeah. Okay.
[00:09:25] ROD: Maybe it's particularly strong and you can, it, it says underneath, you can put a lot of ice in
[00:09:29] WILL: these,
[00:09:29] Yeah. Right.
[00:09:30] ROD: that's their motto.
[00:09:31] Anyway, so stood out the back in the shed. This is supposed to be temporary. I'm not sure what the longer term plan was, but apparently it's supposed to be temporary. So Bogger, his, grandson gets a local environmental company, a company to deliver fresh, dry ice every two weeks.
[00:09:45] the cost of a thousand bucks a month.
[00:09:46] WILL: Us?
[00:09:47] Are you serious? Yeah. Just bury him, let him go.
[00:09:50] ROD: Eventually, bogger was deported back to Norway, not related to this. Anyway, off he had to go. But luckily, volunteers, neighbors and o other helpfuls from around the town [00:10:00] decided to keep Bri frozen.
[00:10:01] They would constantly apparently monitor the shed, but they also had to handle many negotiations with town officials who were a little unexcited about the whole dead body stored in the backyard thing.
[00:10:11] So eventually the town nedal alone passes a law saying he can't store dead bodies on private property. But because he'd been frozen and stored there beforehand, they literally grandfathered him in and said, well, you, can
[00:10:21] WILL: there. No more dead
[00:10:22] bodies. No more, no more
[00:10:24] After that.
[00:10:24] This, this guy.
[00:10:25] Fine, Fine,
[00:10:27] ROD: drawing a line under it. That's enough. So quick reality check for a moment here, the science bit. The body by now would've been fricking savaged by being moved, stored, frozen, unfrozen, et cetera. he died naturally transported internationally, stored in multiple freezers.
[00:10:41] WILL: His wouldn't have been great decades of dry ice crystals. that would've been of damage to the cells. All the stuff. No scientifically, aware human would've said that could be cool. But that aside, so his story, the whole tale of his freezing movements, et cetera, his grandson, it gains momentum, gets kind of folk Lish, the frozen ancestor, the stubborn grandson, the town trying to balance compassion with the law, da da, da da.
[00:11:05] ROD: So obviously the Frozen Dead Guy Festival, sorry, dead Guy Days Festival kicks off 2002. Which cemented him as a legend or rather his corpse. Mm. So the town really leans in. They've got brochures, events, they do tourism stuff, you know, national news, exposure, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It gets really big. But 20 years later they're struggling to sustain it.
[00:11:23] It's not a big town. It's gotten too expensive. And it's like, maybe it's not as huge as it could have been, but it's okay. 'cause we have a hero, 2023. A guy called John Cullen says, I'll take it over. I'll take over the event. I'll make it happen. Now he owns a hotel called the Stanley Hotel in a park or a place, sorry, nearby called Estess Park.
[00:11:38] he underst Stanley Hotel.
[00:11:39] Do you know what the Stanley Hotel was famous for?
[00:11:41] WILL: Uh, no.
[00:11:43] ROD: It was the basis of Stephen King's novel, the Shining.
[00:11:46] WILL: Oh, okay.
[00:11:47] ROD: So allegedly haunted, quite famous, et cetera. So our core, the president of the chronic company that originally froze him for a few years, they sent a team to check on the condition of Brado.
[00:11:57] Like, is he all right? Yeah, yeah. Can we move him? And they packed him in a metal [00:12:00] coffin. they popped it open. Apparently his face looked like he was weirdly well preserved. That's all they talk about is his face. Right. I don't think they looked lower
[00:12:06] WILL: or did some other testing.
[00:12:07] ROD: No. Why would you do testing? Well, let's just do visual, visual
[00:12:10] Have a quick look at his face. Oh, that's pretty good. I
[00:12:12] WILL: don't think visual testing is enough. I
[00:12:14] ROD: think we can bring him back. That's fine. they wanted to remove him from, Nedal alone to the Stanley Hotel. So they removed him at four o'clock in the morning so there wouldn't be protests of the people in the town. And they hired several former Navy Seals as private security in case there is trouble.
[00:12:32] WILL: Oh my God. Jesus Christ. I know
[00:12:33] ROD: Crazy. I know they carefully unpacked his body from his frozen coffin. They move him into a van, they repack him. They drive him for over an hour to the hotel. Should be fine. They use apparently a special crane. I dunno why it's special to lower him into a cryo chamber within the hotel's International Cryonics Museum.
[00:12:49] 'cause
[00:12:49] WILL: obviously.
[00:12:50] All right,
[00:12:50] ROD: fair enough.
[00:12:51] And he's still, I think there today.
[00:12:52] So
[00:12:53] the whole thing moved across to there. But Britto's journey grandpa's not, his journey's not over because although his grandson, apparently he does come back and says, look, he's basically made peace with the fact that Grandpa, he's probably dead.
[00:13:04] It's okay. He's got plan B.
[00:13:05] WILL: Could it, could it have made peace earlier? anyway, no, he didn't, but he's got plan B. gonna, which is
[00:13:09] ROD: get him cloned.
[00:13:10] WILL: What, what, what is going on? let let the man die. What is
[00:13:14] going on? Why are you gonna clone him? I
[00:13:16] ROD: I don't know. But I don't know if that's happened yet. So stay tuned.
[00:13:19] One day I hope to bring you the update on the cloning of, uh, bread of Yeah, please. Mers. Still
[00:13:23] WILL: please. I
[00:13:24] feel like I, I've just got to say, I, just feel, I know there are many industries that prey on the anxieties and fears and, and worries of people, but there's a little bit here where. This has gone over the edge.
[00:13:39] Like this guy, doesn't seem well, no, and,
[00:13:42] ROD: no. He just focused.
[00:13:43] WILL: Who owns the corpse? Like, is there ownership of a corpse
[00:13:46] ROD: here?
[00:13:47] Ooh. Is there
[00:13:47] WILL: ever
[00:13:47] like, well, I mean, just imagine there's a dispute. Like, it's like,
[00:13:50] okay, so
[00:13:51] ROD: so actually it's my frozen Stan.
[00:13:53] WILL: The Stanley hotel's got him. Or, the grand who do you own a corpse?
[00:13:58] ROD: Ooh, that's a good question. You [00:14:00] should find out and get
[00:14:00] WILL: back
[00:14:00] to us
[00:14:00] ROD: next, next episode.
[00:14:03] WILL: Everyone likes prosocial behavior.
[00:14:04] pro prosocial behavior. Yeah. It's the, it's the behaviors that we all do to, you know, look after each
[00:14:10] ROD: other. The hugs rather than the punches,
[00:14:12] WILL: the hugs rather than the punches as they call it in psychology
[00:14:15] Yeah. Yeah. And some Italian researchers have fired Oh, the hugs rather than the punches. Okay, got it. Yeah. Yeah. I fixed it.
[00:14:21] Right. Okay. Uh, thank you. Thank you for that. But some Italian researchers in Milan, they have done an interesting study to see, okay, what might encourage some of these prosocial behaviors? Uh, money,
[00:14:34] ROD: guns?
[00:14:35] WILL: Uh, no. Neither of those. Neither of those. Um, their suggestion was Batman.
[00:14:41] ROD: be pro-social.
[00:14:43] WILL: a little bit. A little
[00:14:45] ROD: bit.
[00:14:46] What?
[00:14:46] WILL: What? Okay. So nice, nice little, uh, nice little research from Catholic University of the Sacred Heart, uh, in Italy. and you know, when it comes down to it, I'm thinking, why did you choose Batman? But anyway, anyway, you know, you guys have another superhero in your, in your Pantheon.
[00:15:03] ROD: The Riddler.
[00:15:04] WILL: Yes. Yeah. Catholic Catholics love the riddle.
[00:15:09] ROD: their whole book of rules is pretty much full of rids.
[00:15:12] WILL: Uh uh No,
[00:15:15] ROD: no.
[00:15:15] WILL: Anyway, okay.
[00:15:16] ROD: Their
[00:15:16] WILL: test of prosocial behavior is, is, is basically. Who gives up their chair on the train. Oh, to a pregnant
[00:15:23] ROD: woman.
[00:15:24] That's very specific.
[00:15:26] WILL: Yeah. No, what they're saying is that's a, it's a pretty universal
[00:15:29] ROD: marker.
[00:15:29] You would've thought.
[00:15:30] WILL: You would've thought. Yeah. Like if it's, if it's a, a full train, there's no seats. Yeah. And there's a pregnant
[00:15:34] ROD: woman,
[00:15:35] WILL: You
[00:15:35] see her and you go, all right, do, do I give my back? So what they're, what they're trying to say is, okay, this is one of those behaviors that Yeah. Yep. You can definitely see that is pro-social and that's not, and so they ran an experiment.
[00:15:46] Yeah. Um, this is early morning trains in Milan. they're pretty packed, full of commuters, all of
[00:15:51] ROD: those kind
[00:15:51] of things. All fabulously dressed.
[00:15:53] WILL: And they had two teams. Team one was, not a pregnant woman, but a woman wearing a pregnant, [00:16:00] prosthetic. So she's looking pregnant. Uh, I don't know why you couldn't.
[00:16:03] I mean, it's the Catholic
[00:16:03] ROD: university, Well, you can't get pregnant easily in that environment. Maybe it's, so it's a pillow and a, and a and a belt cinched
[00:16:10] WILL: up.
[00:16:11] it's
[00:16:11] ROD: a, it's a, under
[00:16:12] WILL: a
[00:16:12] it's a, it's a believable looking pillow. Yes. But it's basically they've got a pillow. Like they, they
[00:16:18] ROD: got the
[00:16:18] pillow.
[00:16:18] Well, she walking go, I'm a so pregnant, my back
[00:16:21] WILL: And, and an observer, they, they're getting in, in, I think the front end of the train. Right. And at the other end of the train, they get in separately. Mm-hmm. Is another woman, uh, dressed up to look pregnant with the pillow under, under
[00:16:32] ROD: the front. Mm-hmm.
[00:16:33] WILL: Mm-hmm. And Batman also gets into that end of the
[00:16:36] ROD: train.
[00:16:37] Perfectly normal.
[00:16:38] WILL: Perfectly normal. Perfectly normal. Perfectly normal. The woman and Batman are not together. Like,
[00:16:41] ROD: it's not
[00:16:42] Batman, bro.
[00:16:42] WILL: kid. No, it's
[00:16:43] ROD: No, it's not
[00:16:43] Batman. No. Batman. Batman. doesn't
[00:16:44] WILL: breed.
[00:16:45] ROD: Wow. I
[00:16:45] wanted to be there when they went.
[00:16:47] WILL: Oh,
[00:16:47] do you know what?
[00:16:48] We should put Batman on a train
[00:16:50] ROD: and
[00:16:50] that'll, that'll make it a different experimental condition.
[00:16:53] Which is
[00:16:53] WILL: true.
[00:16:54] It, it absolutely would. It
[00:16:55] ROD: absolutely
[00:16:56] would. Pregnant woman or what do we, what do we compare it with? Uh, pregnant woman
[00:16:59] WILL: Batman. So do you want
[00:17:00] ROD: the result?
[00:17:01] WILL: Yes. Okay. Passengers were significantly more likely to offer their seat when Batman was present. In 67% of the
[00:17:10] ROD: cases,
[00:17:11] What the fuck is going
[00:17:12] on?
[00:17:13] WILL: So Batman is not with the pregnant woman,
[00:17:15] ROD: but
[00:17:15] they don't know that. Does he ring aside? Not my baby.
[00:17:18] WILL: fuck Danny's not Batman. No. It's like he, he's like standing three meters, four meters
[00:17:23] away.
[00:17:23] Like, like,
[00:17:25] ROD: happens to
[00:17:25] WILL: be
[00:17:25] there. He, he's in the, in the
[00:17:27] ROD: compartment
[00:17:27] Blending into the
[00:17:28] WILL: pulling into the bat. In, in the train carriage is
[00:17:30] ROD: Batman,
[00:17:30] surreptitiously hanging out
[00:17:32] WILL: it's clearly not Batman. Like it's, it's,
[00:17:34] it's, Wait a minute.
[00:17:35] No. Like, it's a, it's, it's a guy wearing a
[00:17:37] ROD: Batman
[00:17:37] suit. Now we, the, this is important. Is it like the 1960s Batman suit, which is basically a bunch of tights?
[00:17:44] Ah. Or is it like full on?
[00:17:46] WILL: Is it
[00:17:46] Okay, I'll go from the g from the Top down. Top down. Uh, not wearing
[00:17:50] ROD: the cow.
[00:17:51] WILL: So his, his face is visible.
[00:17:53] ROD: So
[00:17:54] WILL: not pepperman. It's, it's, it's Bruce Wayne nearly dressed up, but not quite. So, because they said that would look [00:18:00] a, a little bit too weird and ethics, ethics didn't allow them to have the full face mask. Going down from there, we've got the cape, we've got, obviously it's the sort of muscle suit.
[00:18:09] It's not like, it's
[00:18:10] ROD: not
[00:18:11] a,
[00:18:11] so everything's fake. Fake pregnancy. Fake muscles.
[00:18:13] WILL: it looks like a guy going to a Halloween party. Yeah. Wearing, wearing a Batman suit. It doesn't, it doesn't, no one in there is thinking, oh,
[00:18:20] ROD: it's
[00:18:20] actually, is that
[00:18:21] WILL: Is
[00:18:21] that actually
[00:18:22] ROD: Batman?
[00:18:23] What's he doing in Milan? He's coming to get his suits
[00:18:27] WILL: still. I
[00:18:27] mean, going down, like he's just got black jeans on. I think that they're like black
[00:18:31] ROD: jeans
[00:18:31] Yeah. So it's a dude in a slightly
[00:18:33] WILL: weird,
[00:18:33] and he's got like some black
[00:18:34] ROD: joggers,
[00:18:35] So it's Batman. Batman esque. Esque leaning. Yeah. Hat tip
[00:18:39] WILL: but still, 67 versus 37%.
[00:18:43] ROD: uh huh.
[00:18:44] WILL: way more of the people in the carriage give up the seat if Batman's present. So the question of course
[00:18:49] ROD: is what the fuck are they doing? And who said this is a good idea? Yeah.
[00:18:53] WILL: No, it is what, what the cause is. Yes. Um, so interestingly of the people who gave up their seat, 44% said they didn't even see Batman.
[00:19:01] They're just like, I, I didn't
[00:19:03] ROD: see Batman.
[00:19:03] WILL: I'm just, I'm just giving
[00:19:04] ROD: it's the gorilla on the
[00:19:05] WILL: basketball
[00:19:05] court. No, there's, there's two theories. There's two theories that the researchers have got. One is that seeing something slightly unexpected makes you more observant of the world around
[00:19:16] ROD: you.
[00:19:16] yeah, yeah.
[00:19:16] WILL: And then you go, oh, there, there's, there's weird guy dressed up as Batman.
[00:19:20] Oh, and there's a pregnant woman. Better. I should
[00:19:21] ROD: see. But you, You're on higher alert. for cues. higher
[00:19:24] alert. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
[00:19:24] That makes,
[00:19:25] WILL: on high alert. There are other hypothesis is that Batman encourages certain values. Like it's like, like Batman. And so the, the researchers,
[00:19:33] it's not
[00:19:34] Batman.
[00:19:34] Yeah. No,
[00:19:35] ROD: no.
[00:19:37] WILL: But their theory is that Batman might be promoting values of, you know, truth and justice and, nah, that's
[00:19:43] ROD: oh, no, no, totally, totally, totally. It's not Batman.
[00:19:46] WILL: So what they're gonna do, what they're gonna do in the follow-up
[00:19:48] ROD: study,
[00:19:49] oh, they're gonna try it with the flash
[00:19:50] WILL: daredevil
[00:19:51] Darth Vader. Darth Vader, who doesn't promote
[00:19:54] ROD: giving
[00:19:54] up your
[00:19:54] but without a helmet and wearing black joggers and jeans.
[00:19:59] So
[00:19:59] there
[00:19:59] WILL: go. [00:20:00] Uh, thank you easily. We now know that Batman promotes giving up your seat
[00:20:05] ROD: pregnant
[00:20:05] We really fucking don't, I mean, well done for a wacky experiment, but my God, I have more questions than it's possible to ask in, in
[00:20:12] seven
[00:20:13] WILL: if, if you want to go and do some fun research, go to the Catholic University of Sacred Heart in
[00:20:17] ROD: Milan
[00:20:18] of Jesus. Old time ai, AI from, from the
[00:20:22] WILL: past,
[00:20:23] Oh. Like, uh, 20, 24 or,
[00:20:25] or like
[00:20:26] ROD: 18, even two, somewhere in
[00:20:29] WILL: between. Uh,
[00:20:30] what,
[00:20:30] ROD: So I was caught by a headline that was warning people about bogus or horrific Thanksgiving recipes being generated by ai.
[00:20:40] Okay. For the, and, and Thanksgiving is what nov December the 58th
[00:20:43] WILL: or
[00:20:44] something. So, so like the, the version where it's like add rocks
[00:20:47] ROD: or Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Add explosives, rub it on your child's face and then eat the dog. And you're like, this is not
[00:20:52] WILL: Thanksgiving
[00:20:53] Just to, just to pause for a sec. JD Vance, uh, not normally, not normally a fan of the pod or us a fan of him.
[00:20:59] Yeah. But he did make a funny,
[00:21:01] ROD: um,
[00:21:01] WILL: earlier, did he Billy brothers? No, he was, he was like talking to the troops or something like that. And was, and it was like, and it was like. Be honest. Who out? Who outta here is talking to? The troops likes Turkey. And he is, and it's like a few people raise their hands. He's like, yo, some version, some version of you.
[00:21:15] Like, and I'm like, you know that's right. You know, you know that's right. No one likes Turkey like
[00:21:20] it is.
[00:21:20] ROD: Turkey was born dry and it, it dries a moment. You
[00:21:23] WILL: it
[00:21:24] there. There is a moment, there is a moment where you go, ah, it's not bad. It's like peppery
[00:21:27] ROD: chicken. but it's very
[00:21:28] WILL: And then the rest of the time you're like, coulda just cooked
[00:21:30] ROD: chicken
[00:21:31] or a duck or a goose or whatever.
[00:21:34] WILL: Or a goose.
[00:21:35] Goose is
[00:21:36] delicious. You,
[00:21:37] you don't even know how to use your oven. You don't even know
[00:21:39] ROD: how to
[00:21:40] use your
[00:21:40] oven. No, I don't. I don't
[00:21:41] cook
[00:21:41] WILL: so here's me saying coulda just cooked a chicken and you're like, or a goose and it's like, you've never
[00:21:45] ROD: cooked
[00:21:46] a goose. No, but I've eaten it.
[00:21:47] Have you eaten goose? It's delicious. Fuck.
[00:21:49] WILL: You've never cooked
[00:21:49] ROD: goose.
[00:21:50] I've never cooked chicken. Not in an oven. I've cooked it in like I fried chicken. 'cause you know I'm not a monster, but, So I was hunting for ai. Like I saw the headline and I thought, [00:22:00] okay, tell me some of the recipes.
[00:22:01] So this, this article, and a few others said, oh look it, look, it recommends stupid things. It's often stealing, but the bigger complaints it steals from legitimate food bloggers or chefs. Yeah. Crowds 'em out. So their exposure drops, they lose dollars. It's like, yeah, that's not a surprise. I'm like, come on, gimme a recipe.
[00:22:16] So it says, look again, clear examples, wildly difficult to find. So the articles whinge about them, but they don't actually link. There was not a single link, not a single picture. And I thought, this is a bit lame. Bloomberg, one source says the summaries are telling. Home cooks, for example, this is the best I could get.
[00:22:32] Bake your Christmas cake for three to four hours, which is not a good idea.
[00:22:37] WILL: Is
[00:22:37] ROD: it
[00:22:37] not?
[00:22:37] No. Apparently they turn into
[00:22:38] WILL: lumps of
[00:22:39] chocolate. I don't know. I don't know. I could do a Christmas cake on a, on a nice, slow
[00:22:42] ROD: oven.
[00:22:43] That's not what Bloomberg
[00:22:44] WILL: said.
[00:22:44] I think a nice slow, I what, what the fuck does
[00:22:47] ROD: know?
[00:22:48] I don't know.
[00:22:48] WILL: I
[00:22:48] think a Christmas cake would be all right in a nice
[00:22:50] ROD: oven. It might, I don't know. I don't know. Ovens, there are mysterious
[00:22:54] WILL: this is a, this is a, pretty moist
[00:22:55] ROD: recipe.
[00:22:56] It at first.
[00:22:58] They talk about cookie recipes turning up like quote, clawing lumps of sugar. I'm like, this is boring as fuck.
[00:23:02] Come on, help me out. So I thought, I wanna keep hunting. I wanna find these AR recipes. Then I stumbled upon ancient history, AI cooking efforts, and
[00:23:09] by ancient, okay, I mean,
[00:23:11] WILL: so what is this AI trying to invent? Like the ancient Egyptian
[00:23:15] ROD: recipe
[00:23:15] for No,
[00:23:16] not
[00:23:16] WILL: that good. Oh.
[00:23:17] ROD: So a woman called Janelle Shane, she writes, or she wrote at least artificial intelligence blogs and things.
[00:23:22] Some of them are hilarious, some of 'em are unsettling
[00:23:24] WILL: things. The
[00:23:25] hang on, this is blogs about
[00:23:26] ROD: ai.
[00:23:26] Yep. Blogs about ai. She's a research scientist in Colorado. She makes computer controlled holograms for studying the brain and other light steering devices. Okay. That's her thing. So there's this piece she had called AI plus Vintage American Cooking.
[00:23:41] Colon, a combination that cannot be
[00:23:43] WILL: unseen. Oh, right. All right.
[00:23:45] ROD: What do
[00:23:45] we got?
[00:23:45] Which is good. So this is, this is mid to late 20 teens ai. So neural nets and things like this. So she asks people help me collect examples of the worst, the weirdest, and the most gelatinous recipes that American cooking has [00:24:00] to offer.
[00:24:00] And then I'm gonna train a neural net.
[00:24:03] WILL: on the bad
[00:24:03] ROD: stuff. Well, no, there's still actual
[00:24:05] WILL: foods.
[00:24:06] No, she said the
[00:24:07] ROD: worst.
[00:24:07] Yeah, the worst. Like, you know, you know the ones that say basically take gelatin, add olives, cheese,
[00:24:12] and, and gummy bears terrible. But, but real, but
[00:24:16] WILL: real. oh,
[00:24:17] ROD: These are things that people actually have made in the past.
[00:24:19] And I'm, I'm sure in some version of this podcast,
[00:24:21] I think
[00:24:22] I've talked to you about
[00:24:22] WILL: terrible
[00:24:23] rest. I think this is unfair to the AI to say, I'm, I'm gonna train it on the terrible stuff and then blame the AI for the terrible stuff that's
[00:24:30] ROD: gonna
[00:24:31] come out.
[00:24:31] No one's blame. We congratulated the ai, we're
[00:24:33] WILL: about to the
[00:24:34] ROD: the AI's gonna feel better about this.
[00:24:36] So people submitted more than 800 real recipes. And these recipes with things like beer, uh, beef fudge
[00:24:42] WILL: ooh,
[00:24:43] ROD: marshmallows, chocolate chips, ground beef among other
[00:24:45] WILL: ingredients,
[00:24:46] marshmallows, chocolate chips, ground beef.
[00:24:48] ROD: Wow.
[00:24:49] It actually could be fine. I mean, beef goes with everything.
[00:24:52] WILL: Hmm.
[00:24:53] ROD: I don't really like marshmallows that
[00:24:54] WILL: much.
[00:24:55] Too
[00:24:55] much. No. Look, I, I think there's a place for, interesting place for marshmallows, but it's
[00:24:58] ROD: not
[00:24:59] often. It's not with beef and chocolate chips. Mm-hmm. Maybe
[00:25:01] WILL: chocolate
[00:25:01] chip. I'm gonna need to know a few more ingredients
[00:25:03] ROD: here.
[00:25:04] No, I don't have 'em. Circus peanut jello salad, which had crushed pineapple and cool whip.
[00:25:09] At least tropical fruit soup. Again, remember, these are real recipes. These are recipes that have been suggested. Banana includes banana grapes and a can of cream of chicken
[00:25:19] WILL: soup.
[00:25:19] Look,
[00:25:20] ROD: Not a good idea. Lemon lime
[00:25:22] WILL: salad,
[00:25:23] ROD: cottage
[00:25:23] cheese, mayonnaise and horse radish were key ingredients. Fine. This is very gooey and like, just sloppy and, and a bit
[00:25:30] spicy.
[00:25:31] Again. Again,
[00:25:32] WILL: it's not great.
[00:25:32] I'm still stuck on the submit me your bad recipes and I'm gonna train something
[00:25:36] ROD: on
[00:25:36] it.
[00:25:37] It's early ai. They just wanna see what they could do. Then at first she's panicking, right? Because they're generating these really boring recipes. So it's like shrimp, prawns, grapefruit and lemon.
[00:25:46] Jello is citrus, seafood, whatever, chili sauce, lemon jello, cottage cheese plus
[00:25:51] WILL: mayo,
[00:25:53] ROD: boring, whatever. But then the AI whips into action.
[00:25:57] Okay,
[00:25:57] I'm gonna give you three.
[00:25:59] The
[00:25:59] first one is [00:26:00] called eels in silence.
[00:26:01] in silence.
[00:26:02] That's
[00:26:02] WILL: the
[00:26:02] name of
[00:26:03] I like that as a
[00:26:04] ROD: a reserv. I know.
[00:26:05] Straight away I'm like, oh.
[00:26:07] It contains half a pound
[00:26:08] WILL: of butter,
[00:26:09] ROD: a beaten egg. Three firm tomatoes, six ounces of sardines
[00:26:16] WILL: Ooh.
[00:26:16] ROD: cooked lacy bacon. I dunno what lacy bacon is two hard boiled eggs, potato chips or floating. Get butter.
[00:26:25] Get butter.
[00:26:26] Yeah. Either chips or floating. Get butter.
[00:26:29] WILL: Sure.
[00:26:30] uh, where, where's
[00:26:31] ROD: eel?
[00:26:32] WILL: There isn't
[00:26:33] any,
[00:26:33] ah,
[00:26:35] ROD: They're silent heels in silence. The instructions are melt butter and remove from heat, add egg, and when thoroughly folded. These are hard boiled eggs. Add mayonnaise, put in covered container and chili until, or chill until firm in warm weather. Salt as directed on tin.
[00:26:53] Sure.
[00:26:54] Serve with potato chips or floating.
[00:26:55] Get butter. So that's eels in silence.
[00:27:00] WILL: I do miss this era of AI when it was really incomprehensibly bad.
[00:27:05] ROD: Absolutely insane barking, fucking man. Aqua bunny cake.
[00:27:10] Nice
[00:27:11] ingredients.
[00:27:12] One
[00:27:13] bunnies.
[00:27:14] One bunnies.
[00:27:15] Yep. One bunnies.
[00:27:16] One
[00:27:17] cup water. One box of frosting, marshmallows. Are you happy?
[00:27:22] WILL: Chocolate
[00:27:23] ROD: and sprinkles. Assembly, put the bunnies in a narrow basket and let float to sea.
[00:27:31] WILL: Let float to.
[00:27:32] ROD: That's great. I'm already happy. Then cook the bunnies in a covered pan of water until the
[00:27:37] WILL: the bunnies are
[00:27:38] ROD: bunnies are done. So not before. Gotta be done. Remove the bunnies from the basket. Mash them with the help of the back of
[00:27:45] a spoon.
[00:27:46] WILL: Sure.
[00:27:47] ROD: Sure. Put on the marshmallows, sprinkle the bunnies with chocolate and marshmallows.
[00:27:52] Four.
[00:27:53] Place the bunnies on a little tin brackets towards the back of the tin of the, of the tin, and pour the contents of the bunnies [00:28:00] basket onto the bunny, which is getting very sort of surreal and, um, esher like, finally
[00:28:06] put on your best sailors outfit and hope the weather. Hope the weather cooperates. Oh,
[00:28:11] WILL: that's the end of the
[00:28:12] recipe.
[00:28:12] I'm so happy. That's so beautiful. Put on your best
[00:28:16] ROD: sailor
[00:28:16] outfit
[00:28:16] and hope the weather cooperates. That's aqua bunny cake. And if, if, if making eels in silence and acro bunny cake has stressed you out a bit, you might need a
[00:28:25] WILL: cocktail.
[00:28:26] Okay.
[00:28:27] ROD: Okay, Good.
[00:28:28] The cocktail is called Magnitude Collar, as in round
[00:28:31] WILL: the
[00:28:31] shirt.
[00:28:32] ROD: Mm-hmm.
[00:28:33] There's an opening sentence or two which
[00:28:36] WILL: says.
[00:28:36] ROD: Lasers give you the chance to ascend a string of dazzling ball
[00:28:39] WILL: bearings.
[00:28:40] They do, they
[00:28:43] ROD: This is a cocktail recipe goes on to say, if you remove them quickly enough, you'll be towed for a jolly good
[00:28:49] WILL: time,
[00:28:50] no doubt.
[00:28:50] ROD: no doubt. So that's good to know. Ingredients, a quarter ounce flat glass,
[00:28:57] a
[00:28:58] quarter ounce block of chocolate,
[00:29:00] WILL: salt
[00:29:01] ROD: and the garnish. A quarter ounce of Kentucky bourbon
[00:29:05] WILL: chopped
[00:29:06] Chopped
[00:29:09] ROD: a half
[00:29:10] a packet of
[00:29:10] WILL: splendor,
[00:29:11] ROD: artificial sweetener. Mm-hmm. The directions are blend all ingredients thoroughly and turn into fine molds. Secure with rollers.
[00:29:18] WILL: secure with rollers.
[00:29:20] ROD: So stop complaining about 2025 AI
[00:29:23] WILL: because,
[00:29:23] No, that's
[00:29:24] ROD: beautiful. This is absolutely fucking
[00:29:26] WILL: gorgeous.
[00:29:26] I kind of missed, I kind of missed the
[00:29:27] innocence. It's
[00:29:28] beautiful,
[00:29:29] I miss the innocence
[00:29:30] ROD: of
[00:29:30] that era.
[00:29:31] The magic of it all just makes me so happy. It just makes me so happy. We should all be looking at 20 teens
[00:29:36] WILL: Like, it's it's like a, it's like a computer with no, no fucks. Like,
[00:29:39] ROD: Like,
[00:29:40] WILL: it's just like, you know what? I'll say some words and put on your best sailor suit
[00:29:45] and
[00:29:45] ROD: and hope for cooperative weather.
[00:29:48] Oh my God.
[00:29:48] That is an aqua bunny cake. It's fucking fabulous. It just makes me so happy. That
[00:29:52] sort of stuff. I love it.
[00:29:52] So
[00:29:52] WILL: happy
[00:29:53] you know, that, uh, recently there's a, there's a small study, uh, I think
[00:29:57] ROD: put
[00:29:57] it
[00:29:57] out.
[00:29:58] Forbes for Bays.
[00:29:59] WILL: [00:30:00] Mm. No, it's one of, one of those papers with the funny color, it's Financial Times or something like
[00:30:04] ROD: that actually.
[00:30:05] WILL: AI
[00:30:05] content has, just surpassed human content
[00:30:08] ROD: the
[00:30:08] internet. No. So, So,
[00:30:10] there's
[00:30:10] WILL: more
[00:30:10] of it.
[00:30:10] There's
[00:30:11] ROD: more
[00:30:11] of it.
[00:30:11] I'm
[00:30:12] WILL: shocked.
[00:30:12] Well, no, not, not total in like, new stuff
[00:30:16] ROD: produced
[00:30:17] uh,
[00:30:17] WILL: cool.
[00:30:18] ROD: Took longer than I expected.
[00:30:19] Well, it's great, isn't it?
[00:30:21] Isn't it?
[00:30:23] WILL: some researchers out of China have done the most important
[00:30:25] ROD: study. Oh.
[00:30:28] How to get money laid, love, longevity, and all with one
[00:30:33] WILL: pill.
[00:30:33] Yes. But, but one step
[00:30:35] ROD: before
[00:30:35] that.
[00:30:36] Oh.
[00:30:37] WILL: Oh, like
[00:30:37] ROD: precursor
[00:30:38] do really well at
[00:30:38] WILL: school.
[00:30:39] No. It's how to win at rock, paper,
[00:30:41] ROD: scissors.
[00:30:42] Fuck. Finally, you know, I want that so bad. I even forgot to
[00:30:45] WILL: mention it.
[00:30:46] Yeah. Oh yeah. You know, you know, I, I'm like,
[00:30:49] ROD: Do you mean against who though? Like, 'cause if it's against my sister always do the thing that she did that will beat the thing she did
[00:30:55] WILL: last
[00:30:55] time.
[00:30:55] Oh, you might already be on the
[00:30:58] ROD: money
[00:30:58] WILL: here. So.
[00:31:00] there's a bunch of Chinese researchers, um, they took a, took 360 students and broke them into groups
[00:31:05] of six.
[00:31:05] Mm-hmm. And had them play 300 rounds of rock paper, scissors in
[00:31:10] ROD: pairings
[00:31:11] on the ones that didn't
[00:31:11] WILL: kill
[00:31:12] themselves. I don't, I dunno if this is like 300 rounds each. Um, I hope so. Or, Or,
[00:31:16] ROD: total rounds with no
[00:31:18] WILL: breaks. It,
[00:31:18] it does sound like great Chinese research.
[00:31:20] ROD: You
[00:31:20] know, it, it is very
[00:31:22] WILL: you will, you will do this now and we will
[00:31:23] ROD: get our
[00:31:24] paper out. Some of you may die, but it's
[00:31:25] WILL: worth
[00:31:26] it.
[00:31:26] But, but, but, uh, there was an incentive
[00:31:29] ROD: for
[00:31:29] the
[00:31:29] students.
[00:31:29] Yeah.
[00:31:30] WILL: If they win, they get a small amount of money. So, as they played, the researchers are, are, are looking at how people are winning and how they're rotating through the different play options as they
[00:31:40] ROD: win or lose.
[00:31:41] WILL: Yeah. Now what they found, if a player wins over her opponent in one play, her probability of repeating the same action in the next play is considerably higher. So if you, you played stone and you win. Then you're probably much more likely to play Stone rock, you know? So, so you stick to stone, [00:32:00] Stony Rock, Stoney.
[00:32:00] So you stick to the one that won. You're like, I won. So
[00:32:04] ROD: obviously
[00:32:04] this is because the next time the person you're playing against will do the thing that will beat the rock. So you do the thing that beats
[00:32:10] WILL: that.
[00:32:10] That's it. Well, and if you lose, you're much more likely
[00:32:13] ROD: change.
[00:32:14] so so
[00:32:15] WILL: that's, that's our psychology here.
[00:32:16] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is if you, if you, if you win, you stick. And if you, if you lose, you
[00:32:21] ROD: change.
[00:32:22] Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah. Makes
[00:32:23] WILL: sense.
[00:32:23] So the key strategy that they, they came out from this is that, um, you know, this is, this is the normal strategy is win, stay, lose shift. Yep. So the best way to win at uh, rock paper scissors is to then think about that switch if you lose the first round Yep.
[00:32:42] Switch to the thing that beats your, the thing your opponent
[00:32:45] ROD: just
[00:32:45] played.
[00:32:46] Yes.
[00:32:47] So
[00:32:47] WILL: yes.
[00:32:47] You've got, you've what? What? ' cause the winner is gonna stay still. You've
[00:32:51] ROD: gotta change Yeah. The opponent plays rock. They think I've got the rock and you go, cool. Next song and
[00:32:55] do
[00:32:56] WILL: Yep. If you win, don't play the same thing.
[00:32:59] Yeah. But instead switch to the thing that would beat the thing that
[00:33:02] ROD: you
[00:33:02] just
[00:33:02] played with. Yeah. Yeah. If you did rock, they're gonna go and beat them. They're gonna go paper. So if you did rock, you do
[00:33:07] WILL: scissors
[00:33:07] next.
[00:33:07] Yeah, exactly. Yes, exactly. But, big floor in the whole stupid
[00:33:12] thing. You don't get two rounds. The point of rock paper, scissors is that you get one round. Like,
[00:33:19] it's like,
[00:33:19] you're like, who gets to sit in the front seat of the car? Who gets
[00:33:22] to
[00:33:22] ROD: sit
[00:33:23] in?
[00:33:23] It's not like, let's go smoke a few cones and play rock, paper, scissors for
[00:33:27] WILL: an
[00:33:27] hour
[00:33:28] on let's, let's, let's have maybe 30 rounds of rock, paper, scissors
[00:33:31] ROD: see
[00:33:31] who works.
[00:33:32] See how it works out? Yeah,
[00:33:33] we better grand
[00:33:34] WILL: you go one round.
[00:33:36] ROD: And
[00:33:36] and then the issue is
[00:33:37] WILL: decided
[00:33:37] and the issue is decided and it's like, thank you Chinese researchers. If you do play 30 rounds, this is your
[00:33:42] ROD: strategy
[00:33:43] for you who
[00:33:43] WILL: for you who do
[00:33:44] that. So
[00:33:45] I
[00:33:45] ROD: don't
[00:33:45] know.
[00:33:46] WILL: There,
[00:33:47] ROD: I still like it. I like it, I like it. So it turns out there's
[00:33:52] WILL: actually
[00:33:53] ROD: a downside. To at least some plastic
[00:33:55] WILL: surgery.
[00:33:55] No, I know. No, I was gonna go and get it all. I haven't had [00:34:00] any, I I just wanted to
[00:34:00] ROD: get it all.
[00:34:01] WILL: You
[00:34:01] haven't
[00:34:01] give
[00:34:02] ROD: give
[00:34:02] it all
[00:34:02] But why do you look so
[00:34:03] young and
[00:34:04] WILL: I want some mutually contradictory
[00:34:06] ROD: plastic
[00:34:06] surgery.
[00:34:06] I
[00:34:06] want my eyes lifted
[00:34:07] WILL: and
[00:34:07] lowered. and, yeah, exactly. But implanted
[00:34:10] ROD: outplant. I want, I want one breast expanded and the other one
[00:34:12] WILL: reduced.
[00:34:13] No, I want both expanded and both
[00:34:14] ROD: reduced, but
[00:34:15] the No, but one at
[00:34:16] WILL: a
[00:34:16] time though. No.
[00:34:17] Keep
[00:34:18] people
[00:34:18] I'm, I'm, I'm going into, I'm, I'm going to
[00:34:20] ROD: quantum,
[00:34:21] so
[00:34:21] WILL: I know Quantum,
[00:34:22] ROD: what you're saying is you want someone to put a little tube in both your breasts and go expanded.
[00:34:26] WILL: I, I, I wanna, I wanna live all possible universes at all
[00:34:29] ROD: possible
[00:34:30] times. Maybe you are.
[00:34:31] Yes.
[00:34:31] Whoa. So gluteal augmentation,
[00:34:35] you butt
[00:34:35] lift.
[00:34:36] Yep. Yeah. And often called the Brazilian butt lift
[00:34:38] recently
[00:34:39] seems racist.
[00:34:39] It, well, the Brazilians
[00:34:41] WILL: aren't a racist. I mean, it seems positive, but it does seem
[00:34:43] ROD: racist.
[00:34:43] Yeah. It can be racist in a good way, but they're not a race.
[00:34:46] It's countrys
[00:34:47] WILL: hmm. I
[00:34:48] ROD: know. I'm not an anthro pathologist anyway. It's commonly called or referred to as a BL, your Brazilian butler. But anyway, gluteal augmentation.
[00:34:57] Yeah. Yeah. So just so for those of you who aren't aware, I mean will obviously is, but, so from the Australian Society of Plastic Surgeons, here's what it is. It's a procedure that reshapes the buttocks by reducing excess skin, and depending on the patient's individual needs, either reducing or increasing the amount of
[00:35:14] fat in the, but talk
[00:35:16] WILL: resulting
[00:35:16] Surely, Surely, we're, we're or increasing the amount
[00:35:19] of skin, like,
[00:35:20] like you can't reduce the amount of skin and then increase the
[00:35:23] ROD: amount
[00:35:23] of butt
[00:35:23] do keep it stretchy, you know, you make it
[00:35:25] WILL: smooth it out.
[00:35:26] Oh,
[00:35:26] ROD: okay. Yeah. You, you're lacking
[00:35:29] WILL: imagination. I'm
[00:35:29] just feeling taking 30% of your skin away and adding 40%
[00:35:32] ROD: more butt.
[00:35:33] Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's making it really
[00:35:35] WILL: tight.
[00:35:36] Yeah. Okay.
[00:35:37] ROD: So the amount of fat in the, it results in smoother skin and firm around, and even maybe more evenly proportioned contours of the but detox.
[00:35:45] lovely.
[00:35:46] And in some patients, this can be achieved simply from a fat injection.
[00:35:49] So take it from one place, put it to another. So often it is simply that you relocate your
[00:35:53] Yeah.
[00:35:54] Your goo goo.
[00:35:56] So
[00:35:57] there are some side effects. Can you
[00:35:58] guess
[00:35:58] WILL: any,
[00:35:59] [00:36:00] um, being
[00:36:00] ROD: too
[00:36:00] hot?
[00:36:02] Well,
[00:36:02] WILL: we've
[00:36:02] all
[00:36:02] experienced, like, I, I
[00:36:03] ROD: I, I think
[00:36:03] That's
[00:36:03] it.
[00:36:03] Yeah. That's
[00:36:03] one. Everyone. Your butt's too magnificent. Now
[00:36:07] WILL: You shame everyone else. Uh,
[00:36:09] ROD: So there's a lot of chatter recently about a very specific one.
[00:36:12] Mm-hmm.
[00:36:12] It's a, um,
[00:36:14] WILL: smell.
[00:36:16] Why
[00:36:17] are you gonna make me sad?
[00:36:18] ROD: You don't like smell?
[00:36:20] WILL: I'm just sad for these people that what, what's happening? Are they, are they farting
[00:36:23] ROD: or they just
[00:36:24] Nope, nope. So they, it's called that by some.
[00:36:28] Anyway, the BBL l smell, it's an unpleasant, musty, sometimes rancid odor that can follow people around after the procedure. Oh,
[00:36:35] WILL: Oh.
[00:36:37] ROD: if too much fat is packed into a single spot more than the blood vessels can support.
[00:36:42] Oh. So goes
[00:36:43] rancid fucking dies. Oh,
[00:36:45] WILL: Oh.
[00:36:45] ROD: so that's basically technically you'd call that fat necrosis.
[00:36:49] So it rots. Oh, it rots and rotting tissues and meets.
[00:36:56] officially, this is how you put it.
[00:36:57] When there is more fat in an area than blood supply allows, the fat will die through a smelly
[00:37:02] WILL: process.
[00:37:05] ROD: There can be other causes. So it could be that it's just the healing process.
[00:37:08] You
[00:37:08] know, it
[00:37:09] could
[00:37:09] WILL: be, it could be, it
[00:37:10] ROD: could
[00:37:10] be
[00:37:11] also, this is, I like this. After surgery, sometimes hygiene can become a bit more difficult.
[00:37:15] So some patients say the new shape of their butt makes it harder to wipe
[00:37:20] WILL: properly.
[00:37:20] Oh, of course.
[00:37:21] It is so big. I'm now
[00:37:22] ROD: no
[00:37:23] longer Yeah. it's it's called the Kardashian
[00:37:25] WILL: scream. I
[00:37:25] feel, I feel like if you are no longer able to wipe,
[00:37:29] ROD: you've gotten
[00:37:29] WILL: carried away.
[00:37:30] You, you've, you've gotten
[00:37:31] ROD: carried
[00:37:31] away, maybe less,
[00:37:32] WILL: but
[00:37:33] if, if you need now a rag on
[00:37:34] a stick Yeah. Then
[00:37:35] just choose a
[00:37:36] ROD: little
[00:37:36] bit less. Yeah.
[00:37:37] Or a, but, but wipe, but time for the butt wiper. so that can lead to bacterial growths, et cetera.
[00:37:43] But I don't wanna scare you off getting yours 'cause obviously you should. So what can you do? You've had it done. You've had your Brazilian butt lift or your
[00:37:50] WILL: glute. If, if, If listener
[00:37:52] is
[00:37:52] ROD: in the,
[00:37:52] in, if you're in the mood, and if you're
[00:37:54] WILL: no, well, they've just
[00:37:55] ROD: theirs.
[00:37:56] So things you can do, you can wear compression garments to help support healing and [00:38:00] reduce fluid buildup.
[00:38:01] WILL: But why do you wanna compress something you've just
[00:38:03] ROD: expanded?
[00:38:03] That's a good question.
[00:38:04] Like, I think purpose. That
[00:38:05] is a good question. I know I've, I've made my butt bigger. Now
[00:38:07] WILL: I'm gonna can,
[00:38:08] ROD: it. I'm not gonna let it run free. Seems wrong.
[00:38:11] WILL: I
[00:38:11] agree with
[00:38:11] you. It
[00:38:12] ROD: It does. I agree with you. But that's an option. You should also wash these things scrupulously with
[00:38:18] WILL: I feel like, I feel like in general we should all wash
[00:38:20] ROD: scrupulous, Particularly
[00:38:21] they're talking
[00:38:22] WILL: exercises. I mean, that's what I, when I get into the
[00:38:23] shower, I'm,
[00:38:24] ROD: I
[00:38:24] you're thinking
[00:38:24] WILL: scrupulous. Scrupulous
[00:38:25] is the
[00:38:26] ROD: word
[00:38:26] The word above your shower. My mantra. Scrupulosity.
[00:38:29] WILL: exactly. My
[00:38:29] ROD: mantra is
[00:38:30] etched into the tiles. Yeah. Remember, wash everything twice. Scrupulous. William wash everything twice and orally. There's also particular stuff, uh, that is, I mean, I've paraphrased as fucks me.
[00:38:43] That's rancid clothes, Worthing liquid. You gotta get something that's really good at it. Antibacterials or anti, I don't know, butt fat. You can also wear disposable absorbent garment
[00:38:51] WILL: liners.
[00:38:52] ROD: You wear them under your clothes, they absorb moisture, reduce skin to fabric contact, and help keep things. Dryer, but it's gotten to a point where some people actually have to get the procedure reversed, just because of
[00:39:03] WILL: the
[00:39:03] smell.
[00:39:03] Ah.
[00:39:05] ROD: Well, so think twice. Don't make it too large. If you wanna get cosmetic surgery, I say have Abbott. You know, like I, I've had moments where I've thought maybe I could become even more attractive
[00:39:16] WILL: and a little
[00:39:16] bit Well, you'd be, you'd be on the, on the Maa Largo face journey. You know that, that's now the most popular.
[00:39:22] The
[00:39:23] ROD: Mar-a-Lago face. What is is that to look like Trump? I need a bigger
[00:39:26] WILL: gel. No. To look like the, the, the women in
[00:39:29] ROD: Trump
[00:39:29] world.
[00:39:30] I do wanna look like the women in Trump world.
[00:39:31] Like, I wanna look like Melania Melania, but in her
[00:39:35] WILL: and Lauren
[00:39:35] Bert and Laura Luma. You know
[00:39:37] ROD: You know, I wanna look
[00:39:38] like re Taylor
[00:39:39] WILL: like
[00:39:39] particularly in Washington, but all throughout there's a whole bunch of people.
[00:39:42] It's like, I want Mar Largo
[00:39:43] ROD: face.
[00:39:44] Fuck
[00:39:44] WILL: And, and the point is to look
[00:39:47] ROD: It's super
[00:39:47] artificial.
[00:39:48] WILL: So. Good. Good on them. That
[00:39:50] sounds great.
[00:39:51] That sounds great. You know, it's like, it's not only dress the team, it's like change
[00:39:55] ROD: change
[00:39:56] for
[00:39:56] team. Yeah. Embody, literally physically embody the
[00:39:58] WILL: team.
[00:39:59] Well, look, [00:40:00] listen now that has been your little bit of science.
[00:40:01] Yeah. You can't have any more. No. Um, it's enough. everyone only needs a little bit.
[00:40:05] ROD: and then what you do after you've had your little bit, you grab your, rating fists and you smash 'em on the star
[00:40:10] buttons
[00:40:11] you
[00:40:11] do
[00:40:11] until there are no stars left for anyone
[00:40:13] WILL: else.
[00:40:14] And you can watch us on Twitch Friday afternoons.
[00:40:16] ROD: Usually
[00:40:17] probably three
[00:40:18] WILL: 30.
